I bought this already at Blackpool 2020.
You get two things. A sleight and a physical product.
The move is fantastic and in my opinion the most useful sleight that has been released within the
last 20 years. It is pretty much invisible and can 100% be used in the real world and 100% examined.
The card is not gimmicked in any way.
The trailer is NOT misleading. You can do what you see in
the video. Whoever says that's not true has not put in the time to actually study it.
You are correct that you can do what is in the trailer, but the trailer is misleading because that setup is not taught in the tutorial. To do the setup that is taught in the tutorial you need an extra prop like a pen or envelope to have reason to go to the inside jacket pocket. You don't see any of that in the trailer.
Yes the trailer is misleading, it doesn't show a full performance, only the end. Where's the awkward misdirection of going into your jacket to make the switch in the trailer?
I combine this with Joao Miranda’s switch 2.0 and it kills!!’
Jstevew, its a full performance. Inside jacket pocket isn't the only place for it.
@jstevew It is a full performance, just a different handling. Are you telling me you do not see him retrieving the card from his back-pocket? There is no difference in the handling - it is just not in your breast pocket.
@royal20 and @jstevew:
You don't see it in the uncut performance because he doesn't have the gimmick in the inside jacket pocket. He has it placed somewhere else on his body. Those who knows how this works would clearly see where that location is and how the performance is true to life. Christian unfortunately did not mention/teach this placement of the gimmick in the instructional video and that is most certainly a fault on what I consider to be somewhat incomplete instructions but the private FB group does help fill in such gaps. VI is also supposedly working on making the instructions more complete. So no, you don't need a extra prop if you are not using the inner jacket pocket for the gimmick.
@kissdadookie - Yes, I can clearly see the index is in his back pocket in the trailer. That's not the point. The point is that method was not taught in the tutorial and on Vanishings website it says a jacket is required.
@royal20 - Two things. Your criticism was that you can’t do what is shown on the trailer without extra props. You have now just admitted that you could actually do what is on the trailer and now changed the goal post to it not being taught in the instructions. My second point is, you’re complaint now lies in the instructions not telling you that you can have the gimmick in the back pocket? How is that even a valid complaint? If you were given two slices of bread and there is a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly and the instructions only show you that you can put peanut butter on the bread to make a peanut butter sandwich, are you going to complain about the instructions because it doesn’t explicitly state that you can also put jelly on the bread?
Did the instructions for Switch One say that you CAN’T put the gimmick in your back pocket? It doesn’t so why were you incapable of realizing that you can put the gimmick in places like on your lap when you’re sitting at a table, your back pocket, attach it to the edge of a table along with your servant, etc.? It’s a bizarre complaint when your complaint is that you needed the instructions to tell you explicitly that you can put the gimmick in your back pocket.
@kissdadookie - Clearly you need to do a better job with your reading and comprehension. I didn't say "you can't do what is shown on the trailer without extra props". I said the method taught in the tutorial using the inside jacket pocket requires extra props, and that method was not shown in the trailer. This is the core method Christian uses when standing. I even asked him why he did it in the back pocket on the trailer, and he said it was because it was a forward facing camera and only one spectator. But since he is normally surrounded he uses the inside jacket pocket. He said the back pocket is best for straight on performances like for zoom. I don't know how you can't see that is misleading, when the method shown in the trailer is not the actual working method used in the real world and it is not taught in the tutorial. The trailer should have shown the method he does in all his live video performances where he is standing. He uses the timer, envelope prediction, and inside jacket pocket. As a buyer of the product this lets me know exactly what is needed to perform the trick as it is normally performed.
Your second point doesn't even make sense. Again I never said OMG I completely didn't realize it could be put in the back pocket. I said that I could see in the trailer he was going to his back pocket. The point is that method wasn't taught in the trailer! And it's not a realistic setup in a real performance. Just because I know it is in the back pocket doesn't mean I know the setup and mechanics he is using. Each pocket is different. The angle of the hand retrieving the card is different, the misdirection is different, the way the index sits in the pocket is different. By your logic there shouldn't have even been a tutorial at all. Just have a sentence that says "You should be smart enough to figure out where this index can go...Good luck". The fact that Vanishing is recording additional footage to teach the method in the trailer is a pretty clear indication they realize they screwed up.
End of the day what is shown in a trailer should be taught in the tutorial. IF they want to add additional handlings or ideas after that then great. It's like buying a download on palming, and in the trailer it shows a back palm but the tutorial only teaches a top palm. If you think that's ok then I'm just wasting my time with you.
@royal20 You still are not understanding what I'm putting down. The point is that the only uncut performance shown is with the back pocket location for the gimmick. You stated that the performance was misleading. Whilst I agree that various possible positions for the gimmick should have been taught in the instructional video, it's also not such a glaring omission that necessitates docking of points for since one can very easily figure it out without being explicitly told.
Additional handlings and ideas ARE taught, in the private FB group, you have access to it as a owner of this release. So, again, I don't see how this necessitates docking points off or calling it misleading.
End of the day, is what is shown on the uncut performance realistically and practically doable in the real world, yes, it is. Each pocket position does have different angles. Angle considerations always goes hand in hand with where you should place something. This however is not misleading. Being misleading would be showing you something that simply is not not possible to accomplish because they are showing you something that is undoable. Nothing in the uncut performance is anywhere near undoable.
Lastly, so you need someone to explicitly tell you hey, you can put this in your back pocket and if you do this, you can't be surrounded? Nowhere does it state that the effect can be done surrounded. The index actually sits the same as in the inner jacket pocket btw. Same way, but just in your back pocket. The only difference is it's in the back pocket. You're trying real hard to make this appear as if it's a way larger difference than it actually is.
@royal20 Also, you seem fine if they provided additional instructions and they actually do. You should know this if you own this. I also don't see how your analogy of a palm tutorial is the same here. That's literally showing one move and then teaching a completely different move. In this scenario with this release, we are literally talking about placement of the gimmick from the inside jacket pocket to the back pocket. The way you put it there is the same way that you would for the inside jacket pocket. The analogy here that would be more similar would be that you are basically complaining about instructions for a trick where they refer to the deck being held in the right hand but you are use to holding the deck in the left hand and this hypothetical example, you are complaining that they didn't explicitly tell you that you can hold the deck in the left hand if you are left handed (assuming that you hold the deck with your dominant hand).
You're REALLY REALLY stretching it to make this fit your narrative here of the trailer being misleading.
@kissdadookie You keep saying I need someone to tell me it can be placed in the back pocket. I don't know how many times I need to correct you that I didn't say that. I said from the beginning I could see in the trailer the back pocket is being used. There are a lot of tricks I can tell how they are done in the trailer, whether it be a mercury card fold, double lift, palm, etc. I could probably practice and get those tricks down without even buying the trick. But I still will buy it because I want to get that magician's take on it, maybe he has some tips that he has figured out from doing the trick 100s of times that will save me from having to figure it out via trial and error. That's the whole point of spending money on a trick. It makes absolutely no sense to show something in a trailer and not teach that exact routine. As I stated before, the fact Vanishing has released a new hour long video explaining how it is done indicates it was an issue that it was not included the first time. In the new tutorial Christian goes over some things that you wouldn't intuitively know as you claim someone should just by knowing the back pocket is an option. He talks about the types of jeans you need, the height of the pocket, the fact you need to lift the index when retrieving certain cards, etc. Those are exactly the kind of things we need to know from his experience, not just follow your method of figure it out on our own. And you are wrong saying it is practical in the real world. Christian says in the new tutorial, and I quote "I will say upfront it is not a handling I use often, I use this most of the time seated in my lap or most of the time walk around in the inside jacket pocket". So let's say he uses the back pocket 10% of the time. You don't think that is misleading to show a method in the trailer that he rarely uses, and teaches something totally different in the tutorial that requires additional props? Just because something is possible doesn't make it practical. It is a very isolated situation where the back pocket will work and the fact Christian rarely uses it is an indication that situation doesn't come up often. And I never said anything about the trick being advertised that you could be surrounded. I said that Christian said he is normally surrounded therefore uses the jacket pocket. On vanishings website it says the angles are 180 degrees. I would argue that if using the back pocket it is more like 90. You can't have someone standing to your immediate right because they will see the reach around to the back pocket and more than likely see the gimmick sticking out.
You bring up the FB group and additional handlings taught there. This discussion is about the initial marketing of the trick and for those who bought it day 1. Just because some of the major complaints have been resolved in the FB group and new tutorial has nothing to do with this discussion. I'm sure most of those who rated it 1 star would have given it a higher rating if everything that is available today was available 2 weeks ago.
Lastly your analogy of the deck being in the left or right hand is so far off in being applicable to this. Regardless if the deck is in the right or left hand a trick can be performed exactly the same. Same angles, same moves, same technique, same setup, everything. There are several differences between handling of the back pocket and inside jacket pocket. Different angles, inside jacket pocket requires an additional prop, the reach to the back pocket is different, spectator management is different. You watch the new tutorial and tell me they are exactly the same handling, and that there was no need for it to be included.
@royal20
I’ve watched the new advanced handling video. For the back pocket position, again, he goes into details which IMO was self explanatory. The mechanics were the same as the inner jacket pocket handling and the angle considerations were actually self explanatory but clearly for yourself and some others which I assume may not have had as much experience with thinking about choreography and body blocking, I can see how you may need additional guidance? For something like that, even with the inner jacket pocket, I tend to check my angles rehearsing in front of a camera or mirror before I actually take something out and perform it.
There was also nothing new or revelatory with what he showed for the in the lap handling apart from him showing his knee hold out position (I would just have left the wallet on the side or on my lap anyway because I don’t sit on my phones and wallets to be begin with, so this was something I would have done regardless, to have my wallet out on my lap, side of me, etc.).
His showing how he does it in a hoodie pocket was basically the only thing I would not have thought about in terms of how to retrieve the needed card or billet.
Look, your point was that what was shown in the trailer was misleading. I agreed either here or elsewhere that the original instructions was lacking in completeness but I also pointed out that it really isn’t too concerning nor actually misleading because the information is further supplemented in the FB group. The back pocket position even after watching the new advanced handling video is pretty much exactly what I was practicing in the first place so I didn’t need that to be explained to me. Only thing that was taught in that video in regards to the back pocket position that I was not have thought of was to have my hands at my waist the way he demonstrated it for the inner side retrieval from the back pocket, but I have other ways around it as I would not ever stand like that to begin with.
Boy, r u guys steamed. Can't wait to see what's so bad.
Yeah, it arrived, and I'M FUMING..
I now fill the index wallet with merc-folded cards, show the wallet to the spectator as an example of how magician's secretly switch in the "thought-of" card.
Then I do paperclipped, a stunner reveal: Not only the thought-of choice -- but THEIR SIGNED SELECTION.
Yeah, it arrived, and I'M FUMING..
I now fill the index wallet with merc-folded cards, show the wallet to the spectator as an example of how magician's secretly switch in the "thought-of" card.
Then I do paperclipped, a stunner reveal: Not only the thought-of choice -- but THEIR SIGNED SELECTION.
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